Hrabě Jan Podstatzky-Lichtenstein

* 1937

  • "Finally, dad and mom decided that mom would take us three children, who were written in her passport, and leave with us. Dad said, 'I'm staying here because I don't have a visa. So we went, and at seven or eight o'clock in the evening the train left for Austria. We went first class all the way to the border. And there, of course, the border guard said to us, 'Podstatzky-Lichtenstein, you have to get off.' From the train we went to some room where we had to sit and wait. My mother told us afterwards that she had to take off all her clothes and they searched her. They took her gold watch. They said that when we came back they would give it back to us. Yes, that's what they said. We sat there from 9:30 till 2:00 in the morning. It was just us kids in that room. Every once in a while a policeman would come to watch us. There was a mother next door, but we didn't see her. Suddenly, another person came in, I'll never forget him in my life. The commanders of the border guards changed, one went to sleep and the other started his night duty. And the new one was from Telč, he knew what the name Podstatzky-Lichtenstein meant. He said: 'There is a cattle wagon, only half full. I'll put you in the wagon.' We took all the things and we walked across the tracks past the trains that were in front of him until we got to the train that was going to Austria. The man said to my mother, 'I'm going to lock you in here.' There were some cows on one side and we were on the other side. But mom had a little torch, so we knew there were some cows at the end of the carriage. He said, 'Don't worry, I'll call Austria to unlock the carriage for you.' When the train finally left, it was completely dark. My mother said, 'I know the train is going to Yugoslavia. So if the Austrian doesn't open the door for us, it will be even worse, we will go all the way to Yugoslavia.' It was long, the train was slow. But then it stopped and we heard someone open the big door of the carriage. 'Grüss Gott, you're in Austria.' And then two months later, dad got over the border."

  • "The resistance and our father made a bunker in the forest. When the war was over, the Germans and Russians were leaving for Brno, they were already close, so we went to the preserve. That's our forest. And there was a bunker underground in the game-preserve. During those three days, when the Germans were leaving and the Russians were coming, we were only in the bunker. Dad was outside somewhere, he wasn't in the bunker with us. Then we only saw the Russians arriving, walking along the road in front of the game-preserve between Tasov and Velke Mezirici. And they had zebras with them from the Brno zoo. They were so hungry, they had nothing to eat, so they were killing these zebras and all these poor animals because they needed meat. And we saw them walking down the road there. Our poor dog, that was a chow chow, they killed and ate him too, all that was left was the skin. Poor dog. Those soldiers were in such a bad situation that they came here. So they did impossible things because they were poor themselves."

  • “It was the idea to bring Europe to Christian thinking, that it was not only atheistic, but so that it would be Christian above all. So I spent a year in Paris as a technical secretary for the meetings of the minister and the German and French parliaments. The union organized the first meeting between Adenauer and de Gaulle. The first European agenda was the meeting between Adenauer and de Gaulle. We organized it there. And then we organized the first meetings between the German and French ambassadors, in order to establish contact between them, so that they would get to know each other.”

  • “Dad had been selling some timber, and it was paid in Switzerland and he kept the money there, but the lawyer who had it for us said that he did not have anything for us. He simply stole it, everything, of course. You cannot do anything with lawyers. And then mom and dad bought presents in Italy, because aunt, mom’s sister, was already in Chile, and she bought a store there and they wanted to sell wedding accessories there, gifts, paintings, everything. Dad and mom thus purchased large cases full of small gifts from Murano, Italian glass, and paintings and prints, and things like that. They bought all that and we carried it to Chile by ship. And they had to leave it there for two weeks because of customs. They left it there for two weeks for customs. Two weeks later they went to pick up the large, huge cases. They opened them and it was the same and everything was always the same. And when they opened them, they were full of stones. They stole everything from us, all those presents and everything that we had saved in order to have something for the beginning.”

  • “When we reached the border, they threw out all of our suitcases. We could not go on. The train left and there was a strict check. They took our watches, and they took everything that mom had, such as money, everything, everything. We were sitting in a room there. I think that we arrived there around ten o’clock and the policemen changed shifts at two o’clock at night. One went to sleep and another one came. The second chief was born in Telč. The name Podstatzky is known there quite well and he said to mom: ‘Madam, I know what will happen to you if you don’t get to Austria. I will allow you to go, but we need to go through…’ I don’t know how many trains, with the suitcases and everything, upstairs and downstairs and further on. There was a cattle train car there and it was for cattle which was sold to Yugoslavia, but he told us: ‘I will phone the Austrians and I will tell them that you are in this cattle train and they will open the door for you.’”

  • “I think that’s the problem that all politicians have: what is really good, right? But if you ask me, I would say that only such politics which have Christian roots can be good… in Europe. Christianity did bring about wars and the inquisitions. We did grave mistakes just as others have done, but the roots should be Christian and the politics should stem from them. For me, the only democracy which works is the Swiss democracy. They have order and they know what they can do. When they do something, people have to do it properly. If you buy a Swiss watch, you have one hundred percent certainty that it will work until the last moment.”

  • “We only learnt about what he had been really doing when we returned back here. Of course, he was helping people. We knew that he had a beautiful horse. He would go to the forest every evening and we were told that he was going to see the forest since he was no longer able to drive a car. But he carried a rucksack on his back and inside he had food for people who were hiding in bunkers around here. But we were told this only a long time after the war. He has helped many people. When we were children, the only thing we knew was... On one side of the pond in Netín there was a cottage, and on the other side there lived forester Pavlas. Somebody had apparently informed upon him and he thus had to go into hiding. But he had a son who was already eighteen and he was therefore arrested and he died in Dachau. As children we thus gradually began to understand that the situation was difficult. Therefore we did not ask too many questions because we saw that mom and dad did not want to talk about it.”

  • “At first I need to say that mom and dad never spoke about the war. We were children and they were not supporters of one side (of Germans). But they could not say it openly. It was better not to speak about it so that we children would not inadvertently say something improper somewhere. Several times we went on trips in the vicinity here, where we had our relatives. But they strongly supported the Germans. They were Austrians, and Austria was part of Germany at that time. During those trips we did not go to visit them. I asked my mom why we were not going to visit them and she told me that it was not possible, because they were too pro-German. As a child, in this way I thus began to see that something was not all right. Things like that were happening. And we had one nanny, too, she was a German from the Sudetenland. When we were children, we had to pray with her every evening. And when the war was drawing to an end, she wanted us to pray for Hitler. Fortunately my mom just entered the room. She yelled at her and told her that she was crazy. Thus I saw that there were two sides... Only later I learnt that dad had been in the resistance movement. Obviously, he was not able to tell this to us at that time.”

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Jan Podstatzky Lichtenstein as a young man, 1960
Jan Podstatzky Lichtenstein as a young man, 1960
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Count Jan Podstatzky-Lichtenstein was born on 13 August 1937 in Janovice near Rýmařov. Soon after his birth, the family moved to Velké Meziříčí Castle, which was owned by his mother. He grew up with two other siblings. During the Second World War his father was active in the anti-Nazi resistance. He helped people hidden in nearby bunkers. After the peaceful post-war years, the growing pressure of the Communist Party began to weigh more and more on the family because of its noble origins. After February 1948, the state confiscated all the family‘s property. His parents decided to leave Czechoslovakia. Despite the complications, the mother managed to get to Austria with her children. The father, after several unsuccessful attempts, finally travelled under a false identity. Beginnings abroad were not easy for the family. They eventually settled in Chile, South America. In the 1960s, the witness and his parents returned to Europe. By 1969, he was at the side of Otto of Habsburg, who sought to unite Europe on a Christian basis. Jan Podstatzky-Lichtenstein organized meetings of European politicians, translated and interpreted. In the 1990s, the family‘s property was returned. Currently, the witness and his wife live in a castle in Velké Meziříčí. In cooperation with the town, he is still actively restoring the castle and the whole area.